Wide angle viewfinders

enash

New Member
I recently added a second hand 24mm ASPH to my kit which came complete with the 24mm accessory viewfinder. (the rectangular one in which has the black plastic housing) Although I'm happy with the lens - the viewfinder BLOWS! There is a ton of distortion and flare, and it has a very fat bright-line frame line with round corners. Round corners? Anyway, I find it very difficult to get any accurate sense of what is actually going be in frame. I'm wondering if anyone out there can tell me if the newer 21 24 28 wide angle finder is any better. And if its worth the $300 plus.

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garth

Active Member
That's too bad about the Leica view finders. Does anyone know how the Voigtlander ones compare? Is the Leica 28mm viewfinder just as bad too?
 

melhjt

Member
Enash, I use the 24mm asph too with the same viewfinder. At first, i found it extremely difficult to use and had the same problem with the distortion, and rounded edges. But the combination finder is worse, for me, cos it doesn't have any framelines, which means that depending on whether i'm wearing glasses or not, the frame will show me a different view. All in all, i find the 24mm dedicated finder better. after using it for some time, i have become accustomed to the view of the finder and in fact, the distortion reminds me of how wide a lens i have on. keep at it, you'll soon get past your initial gripes and begin to really enjoy the 24mm.

Melvin
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melhjt

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Just in case you still don't like the ext vf, well...why not do without it, in fact, just shoot without even putting the camera to your eye...like in this case.

melvin hj tan
 
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msc

I know this may not answer your question , but if some day you change your M camera think about a 0.58x. I have it, and you can frame the 24mm. without any aditional viewfinder. Regards
 

jlow

Active Member
> [Hi Mariano This is very interesting - I happen to own the first series M6/0.58x and also the 24mm Elmarit with the plastic viewfinder. Please advise how you can use the body's viewfinder without the attachment?

Thank you

Joseph Low ( joelct )
 

melhjt

Member
Mariano, Do you wear glasses? I use my 24mm on both my 0.58 and 0.85 with the external vf. even with the 0.58, i can only guess what will be included and what will be left out. Any advice on your technique?

Melvin H J Tan
 
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msc

Joseph: I will do my best to explain with my limited english. The 0.58x viewfinder shows you an area equivalent to aprox. the 24mm coverage. Just forget the 35mm bright light frame that appears when you mount the 24 mm lense and frame with all the image you see through the camera finder. It is rather accurate . You have to move your eye a little bit arround the finder to see ALL the image area that will be exposed but I find this preferable than to carry an extra viewfinder. Without this eye movement you have a little extra coverage in the photo than the one you see in the finder that gives you a small margin for errors.Usualy this is the way I do it. It is quick , easy an accurate enough. Of course you have no paralax correction for close distances, but I believe all "external" finders dont have either. A little of imagination and working in these cases with a small extra margin (only if composition is very critical) is more than enough. I have never croped a subject unintentionaly .

Hope it helps Mariano
 
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msc

Melvin: No ,I do not wear glasses for long distances , I do for reading and have even bought a diop. correction lense for the camera finder in order to work with less eye fatigue. I do imagine with glasses it will be very difficult to frame the 24mm. but I have no experience on it. Could you use a diop. correction lense ?? In any case I am sure a good dealer will let you try one in his shop.
 

jlow

Active Member
> [.Ciao Mariano

Contrary to your modest overture, I find your English perfect and your instructions very clear. Like yourself I do not relish the idea of focussing with the camera's vf and then frame with the additional vf. I shall give your idea a good try and advise results in this forum. By the same token - do you have a similar experience with the M3 and a 35mm lens. Do you think the same system can be applied? Will be in touch - best wishes

Joseph Low
 
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msc

Thanks Joseph: As yourself I do not like additional finders for many reasons.They are bulky and many times you have to take them off to put the camera in the bag , something I try always to do between photos.They fit on the flash socket and you have two windows to look through to make a photo. As I like the 24 mm. focal lense when I bought a new body I chose the 0,58x.I prefered some framing errors than the aditional finder. What I did is some tests. With the camera on a tripod and a wall , I looked through the camera finder and,in a relaxed eye position ( this may vary from one person to another ),I marked the wall limits as seen. Took some photos . Did the same moving the eye arround the finder.Results where as I wrote on my previous mail.Without moving the eye what you see in the finder is a little bit less than what appears in the photo. For me more than enough for 95% of situations. When you move your eye arround it is more or less the same coverage as the 24mm. lense.I know the expression "move your eye" is not very precise either as you can move it a lot or not. But I speak about something reasonable. It would be interesting to do the same simple test with an external finder to see if they are more accurate or not. I have no experience on a M3 . I am tempted to buy one........ someday. But if you have one and a 35mm , go for a tripod , a wall , some chalk or equivalent and do the test yourself. You will test it including your own habit of looking through the finder.

Regards ,Mariano
 
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Craig24

I don't use the 24mm but the 35mm FL situation with the M3 sounds similar to that as described above for the 24 on the 0.58x. The 35s with eyes for the M3 work well enough for them not be a problem in my experience. They also give the camera a certain distinguished look. You either love them or hate them. But I had had times when I've had to use a 35mm lens without a finder.

Mariano, beware if you do eventually get an M3 in the future, you will be ruined forever. But then again I’m rather biased toward the original and the best.

And also for those like your self with English as a second or third language, nobody in the English speaking world really has a proper grasp of our exasperatingly frustrating language. In my experience the Dutch have the best all round English (written and spoken). Only about 10% of the English (those who live just outside Greater London) can actually speak the English language, and you have to go to Scotland to find someone who has any appreciation of English grammar and nobody can understand the Scots. In short your written word like many other non-English speakers on Forum reads beautifully. I should take up English as a second language to improve my writing.

Written with some jest, but there is a degree of true in it.

Best regards, Craig
 

hyper

Member
>I use a 35/2.8 with eyes because I have no other 35. I believe is not so comfortable but the camera looks great! I'm waiting for to use it in my new M3.

Some day, in a walk with my family, another guy who carry a Nikon F5 with a bulky long zoom can't stop to look at my camera.

To Justin and Craig: thank you for your comments about our not so good English! We are grateful that you understand that is more important our common interest in photography.

Best wishes,

Patricio
 

jlow

Active Member
> [Ciao Mariano

I have the vintage M3 DS which was recently totally overhauled by a Leicamaster in England and black painted - he did a wonderful job and I almost could not recognise my own camera!

I have the Summicron 35/2, Summaron 35/2.8 recently CLA by DAG and the latest 35/1.2 by Voigtlander/Cosina

I intend to try all of them using your method and see how the pictures turn out ( without the 35 vf of which I have the classic Leica SBLOO and the original by Cosina Voigtlander.

Will let you know the results.

Sincerely

Joseph Low
 

jcr

Member
Joseph,

Out of interest, who and where was this Leicamaster? I am in England, = and this could be useful to know for future reference.

Jonathan
 

jlow

Active Member
> [ Hi Jonathan

This Leicamaster was recommended to me by Dr Joseph Yao of HK - himself a Leicaphile and collector - email joseph@yao.com

Understand the Leicamaster does not do one off jobs and only on recommendation

Joseph Low
 

wrb2

Member
There have been some great things said about the new (metal body) CV finder. My guess is that any metal bright line finder from CV will be great. I have not had to get one yet as my old Leica is still working. When it falls apart, that is the direction I am moving. Take a look at
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B2 (;->
 
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