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Which Contax System suits best to your needs

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Jack Su,

From your messages here, I am assuming you're the j.su in the other website - using the NX with the 24-85mm. If you don't mind, please open up a thread like 'NX with 24-85mm' in this forum. I have received several emails asking about the NX (so far, I have told them about the NX with the 28-80 and 70-200). I have asked them to go to this website to check out reviews and lenses as well. I think it would be of great help if you could provide info about the NX with the 24-85mm.

Thanks...
 
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Brian:

you are aboslutely right about the AF-S ED Nikons - those are obviously outstanding lenses. However, Nikon(or Canon or any other company) does not make a high-quality 24-85 zoom. This lens is so useful for traveling (more so than 17-35 in my view) that I went for Contax and sold my Nikon gear. I now also have the 70-200 N AF - another outstanding zoom which is at least as good as the much more expensive and heavy Nikon 80-200 AF-S (although without the f2.8 of course).

If you like 17-35 though, I would never go with Contax. The Nikon is reputedly fantastic and cheaper and better than the ridiculously overpriced F2.8 N 17-35 from Contax. Sometimes the wisdom of Contax marketing goes waayyy over my head.
 
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As a long time Contax user, currently with G2 and lenses, I am looking to aquire a reflex and zoom as well since not all tasks can be undertaken with the G2 - excellent though it is.
At the risk of being heretical, I am considering a Minolta Dynax 5 with 24 to 105 lens.I wondered if anyone has any experience of these and whether I would be sorely disappointed after my Zeiss lenses.The cost is so reasonable compared to Contax. It would be a big step to move away but I would not be parting with my G2.
I also wondered why the Aria body which I am also considering, is so much more expensive than say the Dynax 5 or Nikon equivalents - which are also more highly specified.
 
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Sorry to disappoint you, but although minolta makes some decent bodies, the company seems to be going nowhere. the lenses are a disappointment compared to nikon and canon primes, not even talking about zeiss. yes, the price is attractive, but be prepared to face a non-existant service if you ever need one. and with lens quality i would not even consider the switch. my opinion, totally biased as usually :)

cheers

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> Hi,

actually I'm not sure why the Aria is so expensive, but it's a nice camera.

If you however want something cheaper I strongly recommend taking a very close look at Pentax. They make some pretty decent zooms which are according to a german Photo-Magazine way better than Minolta, even better than the low-cost Nicon/Canon stuff. And as they are not so mainstream they stay affordable.

And I like the bodys more than the ones of Canon or Minolta. Only Nikon IMHO is comparable.

Mike
 
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Thanks. I have a friend who has recently bought a Pentax. I'm not sure which model or lenses but I'll be seeing him soon and I'll discuss it with him and look at his results.
Cheers,
John
 
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Dynax 5 can be said the best entry level camera.. It has most of pro features ,but little small for the average hand. I love its wireless remote flash and seven-senser, high speed autofocus system with leds on the viewfinder screen. Also the 1/125-sec x-syn speed can sync to 1/4000. One of the features I must mention is the simplified pushbutton back opening, autolocking to prevent accidental film fogging. I would prefer the Dynax 7 which even easier to use and handle. The dynax the dynax 7 which is very comfortable to hold and better constructed. I have the 24-85 lense which is very good. The reviews said the 24-105D is as good as the 24-85. I compared with my old Cannon 28-80L(2.8-4.0), they are about the same. The best Minolta zoom lens is the 28-70G 2.8. It is the best zoom lense I have ever used. It is better than my Cannon 28-80L(2.8-4) and even better than my recent 28-70N Contax. The Dynax 5 auto focus is much, much faster than my G1 and the N1. The Dynax7 is the fastest auto focus camera of any brand when use with the Mimolta 50(1.4). By the way Minolta will have the usm-like lenses( I think they call SSM-motor)next year which for sure will make focus even faster ,espcially for their zoom lenses. I switched from Canon to Minolta fours ago. I don't have any complaints about their lenses. In short, outer simplicity is one of the main reason I use Minolta.
 
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Wai Lee,

can you say something about the results of your Minolta lenses compared to the G primes? While saying it is the best, do you own the 2.8 28-70?
 
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Thanks Wai Lee. That's a very helpful answer and is certainly encouraging towards Minolta. I still cannot decide yet but I shall see if the camera shop will allow me to put a film through one in the shop.
John
 

dirk

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John,

before you look at the different Minolta models you should first think about what you want to shoot, what you can not do with your current G-system.

There must be a reason why you want to add a second camera system. It does not matter whether this is Minolta or Contax SLR. Is it just a bad feeling with the viewfinder not getting sharp compared to an SLR, is it the tele lens you are missing or something else?

As long as you do not do this kind of research for yourself you will end up in buying something, which will not last very long. After you summarized for yourself the main criteria why you want to move to SLR, we are able to help you to find the most appropriate system for you.

Most of us have also other brandnames that we are using i.e. Minolta, Nikon, Leica or Canon. Since we all know the advantages of Zeiss lenses and others, we can then give you the pro and cons to the specific system.

I moved this thread to the topic "why Contax/which contax system for your needs". This would be the appropriate place to discus this further and you will find more attention in this thread for your questions.

dirk
 
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Thanks Dirk,
I have read through the thread you moved my messages to and found it very interesting, also your summary of the Contax systems.
My reasons for wanting to take on a reflex system
again are that:
1). I would like a good zoom lens. I don't like the zoom for the Contax G and I wish they would bring out a longer one with faster apertures although I can appreciate that such a lens could well be to large to be practicable on the body.
2). I want to do macro and copying photography.
3). I want to be able to use longer lenses.
4). I want to be able to use polarising and grad grey filters more easily.
I still appreciate the virtues of my G2 and I am also considering as an alternative to going relex, buying another body to keep attached to the 90mm.
I am not yet ready to go digital nor to expand into the N system. Although it looks attractive,I cannot yet afford it since I want to keep my G system and I do like light weight small cameras- but I also like them to be excellent quality like Contax/Zeiss.
Hmmm... dilemmas.
Best wishes and thanks for a great and helpful site
John
 

dirk

CI-Founder
...o.k., looking at your criteria autofocus is not important to you. I would recommend to take a non-contax-camera of one of your friends and shoot some comparison pictures against your G-system (same film, slides only, same lens, same lab, tripod) If you do not miss in the results the Zeiss characteristic, then you should go for the system with the best price/performance ratio. The godfeeling plays also a major role here. Used prices are really cheap compared to Zeiss, but nobody wants to buy it back in 6 months... The more technically advanced a system is, the more drops the 2nd hand price afterwards.

If you do miss the Zeiss image quality, then you should look at some used lenses and bodies of the manual focus system of Zeiss. They are pretty cheap currently. BUT the longer lenses are still expensive.

Personally, I would not invest in C/Y mount lenses in the moment as long as it is not sure whether they continue the line. The N-system is there on the safe side, BUT bulky and expensive. There will come some new N-lenses with aperture 2.8 and wider soon, but they will be expensive. N24-85 is also expensive, but you have 4 Zeiss lenses with the most used focal lenghts (85/50/28/25)in one barrel, which makes it look cheap.

dirk
 
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Hi Till and John, I purchased the Dynax 9 and the 24-85 in March 1999. after one and a half year of use, I still like the 9 very much. The 9 deserves to use with the best possible lens(28-70G). The perfect match of Dynax 9 and thf 28-80G is better than the best .(for myself) The 28-80G is twice heavier and bigger than the 24-85i. It balance very well with the powerful Maxxum 9. After I got the 28-80G, the 24-85i is only used with my Dynax 7--for snap shots.
Minolta makes its own G lenses. The circular aperture and other G lens features help produce a UNIQUE "soft" and natural defocusing effect while mainting good high light detail and sharpness. At widest setting, the circular aperture(9 blades) help smooth out-of-focus area of a scene. From experience, I noticed that this unique defocusing effect blur background of my bird photography evenly and produce very pheasant color(espcially when use long focal lenses). My wife and sisters in law always demand I to use the Minolta to take their pictures; The reason We think because of the slightly soft effect help produce the beautiful portraits.
I only have two Contax G lenses for my G1. The 35 and the 90 are great lenses. They are beautifully made, feather weight, very sharp and nice contrast. Both of the 35 and 90 has high contrast and rich tonality. Most of the pictures I took from these two lenses --kind of like added or enhanced contrastt and have extra warmth. They produce most accurate color while maintaining excellent detail and sharpness. The G system is a good little boutique point and shoot system. I use it mostly for as a back up. It is very important that you don't buy any Contax things from the Grey market. Some G cameras left the factory with bad data stored in their focusing chips which can cause af- focus problems. This focus porblem can be fixed by only sending the camera back to Contax for warranty repair--Otherwise will cause you a fortune to solve the focus problem. I have the G1 for one year aand I have sent it to Contax for recalibrate twice already.
Nowaday, the difference between top-quality zoom lens and top-quality fixed focal length lens is only slight and will only possibly be detected should you enlarge to a massive print size. I display my good pitures (11x14) at the long hallway of my apt. Some of these were taken by Minolta, Canon,Contax G1 and some were taken by my Contax 645. Almost no one can distinguish which one is by which camera.(they are my photography friends.) To me , the camera body is very important. N1 And G1 or G2 are too slow in auto focus. They are as slow as my 15 years old freind ,Canon Ellan I. You need to decide what kind of pictures you want to do. Wildlife, sport and any other fast action activities are not good for any existent Contax cameras--You need to look for Canon ,Minolta or Nikon.

The comparison of Canon ,Canon and Minolta is not a head to head test. Each brand has its own merit.
 
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Thanks Wai Lee. I wonder if the focus problem is exclusive to the G1. I haven't (fingers crossed) had any problems with the G2 like that.
I'm obviously going to have to take the plunge one way or the other soon. It might be easier to do nothing! and stick with what I have. I also like my medium format but there are some things I cannot at the moment do.
I'm taking on everybody's very helpful advice and when I do decide I'll let you all know what the decision is and hope it's the right one!
John
 

dirk

CI-Founder
"It is very important that you don't buy any Contax things from the Grey market. Some G cameras left the factory with bad data stored in their focusing chips which can cause af- focus problems. This focus porblem can be fixed by only sending the camera back to Contax for warranty repair--Otherwise will cause you a fortune to solve the focus problem."

Dear Wai,

somebody must have made a joke with you telling you this story. The difference between grey marekt and non-grey market is only by whom it is imported in your local country not whether it is accurately calibrated or not. If it is not imported by the official Contax representation, it is called grey market. Quality and features are the same worldwide, because there is only one production in one factory for Contax/Zeiss. And I do not think that Contax is risking its reputation by selling under the table defect equipment. The market for Contax products is to small for this.

There are many different criteria which are influencing the final output of a system. Starting from the photographer over the lens, the film, the developpment til the final print. If not every step is made with utmost knowledge, you will not see the difference between 35mm and medium format or between 2 different 35mm systems.

dirk
 
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dear am michaela:

i have posted some fotos on pbase for your consideration (using the nx and 24/85 vario-sonnar).

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which image do you prefer? the diehards on the peak swear by f8 but i like the flareouts of the f22 images (the first half of the folder). otherwise they would be mundane images from the peak.
 

dirk

CI-Founder
Hi Jack,

nice shots. I was last time in November in HK. I am missing this georgous skyline. We should organize one day a Contaxinfo.com Meeting in HK. Definitely worth to visit, not only for shootings...

dirk
 
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Hi Jack,

The HK skyline pictures are good ones. Thanks for posting...the last time I was there was in '92.

When I was taking pictures at Vegas, I was using f/8 since I didn't have a tripod with me. The flareouts are great but sometimes they can be annoying when overdone or getting predictable.

So, how do you like the handling of the nx with the 24-85mm? Does it feel awkward since the 24-85 is quite huge (82mm)?
 
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